The Voice of an Aborted Child
Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007
by James Taylor
THE ASSUMPTIONS
Abortion is a big issue to some people. When you listen to their thoughts on the matter, you can feel the passion and intensity of their position. It is a very tough question, and there are plenty of folks both for and against abortion. But you know what? I don’t think we have been asking the right question!
What if you are the aborted soul? Shouldn’t we take a look from the baby soul’s view? The right question would come from the aborted soul’s mouth…wouldn’t it? “What happens to me, my soul?" Isn’t this a better question to ask?
1. The baby is sent to hell or some other place outside God's heaven.
2. The baby is taken back into heaven by God.
3. The baby gets another chance at life.
Are there any other options? If so, I can’t think of any. So let's take a closer look at these.
The baby is sent to hell or some other place outside God's heaven.
Can you really ascribe this demeanor to God? In the Christian belief system you only get one existence to prove yourself worthy. This baby never had such a chance. So your God sends the baby to hell or casts it out of heaven. Really? What sort of God do you believe in? This is hardly a flattering demeanor you ascribe to your God...is it?
The baby is taken back into heaven by God.
Now this sounds more like a loving God, but what sort of system is this he has set up for us? If this is true, then the best way to get to heaven is to die from an abortion! We should all line up for this...shouldn't we? This demotes a life existence to something you would prefer not to have since you are guaranteed heaven if you are aborted. Does this sound like a system God would set up?
The baby gets another chance.
Wow, if this is true, you will need to expand your belief system to incorporate reincarnation! Of course, souls are considered to be eternal so perhaps this makes more sense but do you believe in reincarnation? Most of us do believe the soul lives eternally so something happens to a soul after the abortion. If it isn’t sent to hell or heaven, then what happens? Is there really this big holding tank of aborted souls? This would seem like a harsh penalty for these souls who had no choice in the matter?
It just gets worse!
If you think this absurd, then let's look at a baby who is already born and dies shortly after birth. Even though it isn’t aborted, the same questions and resulting predicaments are still in play. What does God do with this young soul? So your position about abortion, and consequentially about God, goes far beyond abortion and into life itself. If I can get to heaven by dying shortly after birth, then this would be a most desirable event. We should all hope this happens to our children...shouldn't we? Living a life would then be something you would actually want to avoid if you want to go to heaven...wouldn't it? Does this really sound like a system God would put in play for an eternal soul? If not, maybe it isn’t God that came up with this idea at all…maybe we did.
My unbiased view of the matter is that none of these options makes sense except reincarnation. To answer with the "catch-all bucket" answers like "It's God's will," "God works in mysterious ways," or "It hasn't been revealed" are naive and useless answers to simply avoid dealing with the hard truth about the demeanor you are ascribing to the very God you worship. Isn’t this obvious to you?
Equally profound, aren't God's laws spiritual laws that deal with the soul not the physical body? If our souls really are eternal, then from God's point of view an abortion or dying shortly after birth is no big deal since this soul would simply come back again. Doesn’t this sound more like a system of love?
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Top-level comments on this article: (9 total)I think the problem here is the 'one rule fits all' God philosophy. I believe in God but it doesn't fit in with the religious perspective of him at all. On some points we agree but on others we do not. My view on what happens to the aborted soul is thus. It returns to the place of origin to be reconsidered for rebirth (as you say- reincarnation) or it develops along it's energy life path on that other plane. See my recent article on 'life after death' as to my perspective on this.
I know this is harsh, but I do believe that the unborn go to hell if aborted. I'm a firm pro-lifer, but I also know that G-d's Word states that no one comes to the Father except through the blood atonement of Yeshua (Jesus). The Bible also states that the sin is in the blood. This is why Yeshua was conceived of a virgin and had no biological father. Yeshua had been conceived of two mortal sinners, the sin would have entered His blood, causing Him to be a sinner, which He could not have been being the Messiah. I know this does not make G-d sound like a very loving G-d, but He is a very jealous G-d as well. We are to have no other idols other than Himself, but that unborn child thinks nothing of G-d and only of himself, thus making the child a sinner. I don't like saying this, but I have to speak on the truth of G-d's Word. G-d is a very loving G-d, which is why we are even able to have a person, loving relationship with Him, and why He sent His Son to die for us, so that we may live eternally with Him; but the unborn are not able to have a personal relationship with G-d. This is why abortion must be stopped--that the power of Satan may be extinguished forever.Maggie, thanks for your comments and insights. And yes, I agree with you, what you are assuming about your God is harsh, unarguably. Given your position, what would this same God do with a child who lives for one minute and dies of natural complications? Neither have a chance to prove themselves worthy to the God you describe. Blessings-James T.
James, I don't have all the answers. Please understand that this is hard for me to say, especially being a pro-life speaker myself, but I have not been proven wrong on this subject and, until I am, I am standing firm. In Romans 1:9-11 it states, "That if you confess with your mouth, '"Jesus is Lord,"' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." I am sure you are aware of Matthew 19:14 that says, "Let all the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." I want to believe with all my heart that Jesus was saying that He takes the little children, including the unborn, straight to heaven if peril befalls them, but the Bible never contradicts itself. Therefore, I will have to say, with no little hesitation, that that child will be in hell. Before I go, I'd like to say one more thing. G-d cannot stand to look upon sin. And sin cannot look upon the face of G-d. So if a sinner goes to heaven, without the blood atonement of Jesus over his sins, that sinner will not be able to look upon the face of G-d. If there was a pit of fire 100 feet away from the feet of Jesus, and a sinner had just entered heaven, that sinner would run into that lake of fire to be away from the very holiness of G-d. In that sense, it is a mercy. I can't stand saying any of this, and if you can prove me incorrect in my thinking, do not hesitate to do so. ShalomMiss Maggie, again, thanks for your insights. To think I am trying to prove you right or wrong isn't my intent. I appreciate your staunch position on the subject. But if you will, I would like to comment. Confessions, by mouth, is a physical characteristic. Consider there is more to a human being...being, than just the physical. God would know this voice and it's innocence. It is pure. It is the voice of a soul. To assume God is unaware of this soul, this soul's essence, is to place a limit on a God you see as all-powerful. I believe that you believe this essence IS known by God even without a mouthpiece to vocalize it. Given this awareness, for God to then send such an innocent voice to hell...well, this doesn't sound like the love of God...does it? By contrast, as my article suggested, if God accepts this soul back to heaven then we shouldn't we all line up to be aborted? I would also like to give you another view on sin in the presence of God. If our souls originate from God (and I know of no other source) then in God's presence, there is no sin. In this we agree. Consider that the dichotomy of no-sin would be sin and perhaps when we birth into this 3 demensional existance (created by God) sin exists and of course, we can choose it. However, consider that when we die that perhaps on the other side (from where we came) then again, there isn't even an option for that which we call sin ...that option is only here. This reinforces your understanding ...that indeed, no such sin exists in the presence of God...only here.
James, I do understand your point of view, and I appreciate your attitude in this discussion. The majority of people I know would shun me as a rebellious 17 year-old. In Psalm 139, verses 1-6 (NIV) it says, "O L-rd, You have searched me, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; You perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; You are familiar with all my ways. Before a word is on my tongue You know it completely, O L-rd." I don't believe we need to argue the fact that G-d knows us deeper than we know ourselves. G-d knows our thoughts, and our thoughts are sinful. It is a scientific fact (and why people try to separate G-d from science is beyond me) that the unborn is human. Though I know of pro-choicers who use the arguement, "it may be human, but it's not a person yet," which I don't understand at all. I just don't believe that changing your environment defines who you are. A fish is a fish, whether on land or in the sea. But this arguement also applies in our discussion. We are human, whether born or pre-born. Like I said in one of my earlier statements, the sin is in the blood, which is why Yeshua (Jesus) could not have a biological father. He could not be conceived by two humans because of the sinfulness in their very blood. If that blood had coursed through His veins, He could not have been our Messiah for He would not have been the blameless sacrifice needed to be our atonement. If you will show me how an unborn child does not need a blood covering over himself to enter into heaven, I will conceed my arguement. Really what I'm trying to do is find my true stance on this issue, and I thank you for your patience in this matter.Miss Maggie, I see we agree that God is aware of a soul. Consider this is discussion of spirit and not a physical body...nor would this be a dialog about humans. It is about the spiritual you beyond your human form. I appeciate your subscription of sin in the blood, however, a soul has no blood to contaminate it...does it? Think for a minute if you were God...would you send this precious soul to hell? If your answer is no, then why would think any less of your God. Would his love not at least be as grand as your own?Maggie, A child is born without sin. Think about the verse where the lions lie down with the lambs, etc..this ends with the note: and a little child led them.Jesus always associates children with innocence. A newborn is sinless, of course God would accept the child into heaven. Jesus was the New Testament, which was very different from the God of the Old Testament. To assume that a child would go to hell because he hadn't been saved, but saved from what? A child is innocent from the sins of their parents if they had molested them, or beaten them. The same holds true here. Or atleast my God of love would not do this to a child. It would be a form of abuse, and God does not abuse us. Human beings were made in the image of God, and he called us good. It isn't until we make a conscious decision to sin, are we held accountable.Just my opinion.
...speaking of SIN
Sin was actually adopted by the faithful from the field of archery where sin meant the arrow missed the target ...it sinned off course. Early Christians used the term to show you were off course, missed the truth, erred in your direction. It was never intended to render judgment of this err being good or bad. The Catholic church ascribed evil and bad to the meaning much later on.
When you kids ERR do you stop loving them? Reject them? Cast them out to an abdandoned building? Dis-own them? Turn them over to a pedeophile? NO! You continue to love and accept them. Their err changes nothing. Your God is the same so stop ascribing such a harsh demeanor to God that is less than you yourself are as a being.
Sin as we currently use it is an instrument of man not of God. We introduced it into the bible and redefined its meaning. Man did this...not your creator.
ABOUT MAGGIE'S COMMENT: First of all, an unborn baby has a soul which GOD has created. God knows everything that is going to happen before it happens, and even though the mother of the aborted baby is a sinner, it doesn't make the baby the one who committed the sin. My mother, and I are both sinners, but I don't pay for her sins. I believe God is just, and with that being said why would God have an unborn child pay for the sins of its mother? It's as almost saying that the baby chooses to go to hell, or that the mother sends that unborn child to hell. Why would God allow this to occur? Does God create souls knowing that they are not going to be born, so he can send them to hell?Vanessa, going to hell doesn't make sense does it? By contrast however, going to heaven is equally confusing. Shouldn't we then all line up to be aborted? No risk! Does this sound like a system designed by God? or man?
The idea of God sending an aborted baby straight to hell is not scriptural at all, for God is Love. There is not reincarnation for humans BEFORE Jesus comes again, but when He comes, He WILL reincarnate the dead, putting them back together with a body. Therefore, He can put those babies back here on earth during the Millennium, where they will have the opportunity to live and choose to "confess with their mouths and believe in their hearts"----or not. Some people will rebel, of course, even after having Jesus live among them for the 1000 years. But everyone must be given a choice to accept Jesus' blood atonement for their sins, so this is the only answer that makes sense to me. This would also cover older children who die before the age of accountability and the people who cannot make a choice due to mental defect.Dear Believer, Thanks for your comments. I think what you are describing then would be something similar to the Catholic "Pergitory" where this dear young soul would be kept until Jesus returns ...did I get this correct? In other words, if this aborted soul neither goes to heaven nor hell and not reincarnated then where exactly does this soul go? Look forward to your response -James T.
Oh, no! Purgatory is a place of suffering, as I understand it. (I am not a Catholic.) I think the aborted baby's soul goes to heaven upon death (absent from the body, present with the Lord). Now, what kind of life a baby's soul has before being put back into a body I can't really imagine, but it would not be unpleasant. No need to describe it as a "holding tank", more like a heavenly day care center where they are loved and happy. I imagine that memory would be erased when the baby's soul is put back into a body for life on earth. Then the child would grow up and make the decision either for or against God.Dear Believer, If you believe indeed, as you state, that the "baby's soul goes to heaven" ...then isn't this a wonderful gift? It is an act of love indeed. But given this, as the article states, shouldn't we all line up to be aborted? This would provide this young soul (or us) a "heavenly" experience as opposed to being at risk by surviving and actually living a life. Sounds like an interesting system God designed. I think being the aborted soul is the better option ...than living. At least when, as you said, the soul is reincarnated it is with Jesus. Yes, under this framework I think I would have opted to be an aborted soul. -James T.
I don't see why anyone would "line up to be an aborted soul". They have to go through the pain of abortion, and then be put back on earth in a body to go through human life during the Millennium. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to make a decision for or against Christ, and might turn out to be followers of Satan. It seems that if God just lets every aborted soul into heaven without them ever having to live a life on earth, He could well end up with a few Hitlers in heaven! Of course, He could make sure that only pure souls ever get aborted who He foreknew would make the decision for Him, but that seems unlikely. While their time with Jesus in heaven would be pleasant, it would only be temporary and most likely forgotten when they were reincarnated for the Millennium. You say above "At least when the soul is reincarnated it is with Jesus." The soul, without a human body, is with Jesus in heaven after being aborted. But when reincarnated into a human body for the Millennium, it lives a life on earth just as we all do, being able to choose for or against Jesus. Although Jesus will be living on the earth at the same, in full view of humans, He will not be physically with each person all the time. He will be a king who will rule over the earth. He will let Satan loose for a little while at the end of the Millennium, and some people will choose to follow Satan. So being aborted is not a sure ticket to eternal life with Jesus in heaven. The purpose of letting Satan loose again after the thousand years has to be to force those humans living during the Millennium to choose sides, so to speak. Hell was originally created for Satan and the angels who followed him. Humans who follow Satan will end up there, too, but only because they CHOOSE to. Personally, I think the purpose of the Millennium is to prove something to all those people who say, "But if You had just been here on earth, Lord, so that we could have known for sure that You existed, no human beings would have had to go to hell. You were unfair!" The Millennium proves that, even with Jesus here on earth teaching and interacting with the people for 1000 years, there will still be some who reject him and CHOOSE hell! I am not saying any of this dogmatically; no one can really know for sure since God did not go into detail about the subject of aborted baby's souls in the Bible. I'm just saying that it is the option that makes more sense to me. Our conscience, which God put in us, tells us that Maggie's idea of God sending all aborted baby's souls to hell must be wrong because they had no choice. By her reasoning, all children who die below the age of accountability and all severely retarded people must go to hell! "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right"? Anything I don't understand in full, I just have faith that God will do right, and that I will understand His justice and mercy is perfect when I am on the other side.
Maggie's comments are deeply disturbing to me. I am a sinner - not a bad person at all, I consider myself kind and giving and gentle - but a sinner nontheless. I aborted a baby and I have spent the long endless months since, begging for God's forgiveness, and the thought that my poor baby is in hell makes me shudder.Why should it pay for the sin that I comitted - ME!!!!! I narrowly escaped death a few weeks later in a car crash. Was this a judgement, that I cheated a deserved death or did God give me a chance to make amends. I now want to have another baby because I believe the soul of the aborted baby will get another chance. I have sinned, but am I right to try and make amends this way?Linny from UKYou have it all backwards my dear. Should you choose a car and then later you didn't want the car and decided to get another car instead....have you sinned? More like your current situation: Assume you crashed your new car what would you do? You would simply choose another...wouldn't you? This is the view of the aborted soul.This soul chose you as a mom...not visa versa. You were the vehicle. The vehicle simply broke down, that is it. No sin, no hell....just a boke down car. You are upset for the reason the car didn't work. That is childish. Don't be so silly. The aborted soul will find another vehicle.All the ancient wisdom including that from Jesus illustrated and taught the soul is eternal and the body is temporary housing. If your case, only a few months ride. No problem. Form the view of the soul it is just no big deal. Don't sweat it dear. And for anyone that should see it otherwise alow them their sight...it is just not an accurate view as from the soul's perch.One more point. Feeling anger, guilt or any negative emotion then becomes your energy, your vibrational signature that is you....plugging into the electromagentic world we live. Didn't know you contributed in this way did you? You do. THis is in the lower vibrational frequency ranges, that is, regret and sadness. Do you think this is what your God wants you to feel? Did he stop loving? Nah. It doesn't matter. All is forgiven if you forgive yourself since you are still really one. Quantum physics found this "oneness" and you might want to catch up on what they found. We are all comprised of 99.99% energy...the same source. So stop beating yourself up because it is actually hurting us all.So smile today and never burden title of sinner ever again. Men made such nonsense to relfect their own ability to judge as wrong...God loves so it ain't his law...its our silly thing. You are a human being. You are not a sinner.Be some love -James Taylor
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